Carlotinha...um final feliz...

[Debora20]

Ficar voce com ela esta mesmo fora de questão?
Visto ela se dar tão bem com a familia... só tinha era mesmo de apostar na educaçao de mais uma criança!

[tonichacarrilho]

Debora...eu só não fiquei com ela porque tenho o Baltazar...que tem 6 anos..é dominante...ciumento...e agredia a Carlotinha constantemente..
ele é um Welsh Terrier...tem 9 kg...ela tem 20...ela já nem podia olhar para mim que ele atacava...
falei com veterinarios...com treinadores ...e todos me dizeram que os tinha que deixar separados quando ficavam sozinhos...
eu trabalho...o que quer dizer que ainda eram 7 horas fechados...o Baltazar anda pela casa toda...e era isso que eu queria para os dois..
eu corria o risco de chegar a casa e não ter Baltazar..porque ela iria defender se...não posso por em risco o baltazar..
moro num apartamento...como ve não foi possivel ficar com ela...
mas lhe garanto que farei tudo para ela ser muito feliz...

[Debora20]

mas lhe garanto que farei tudo para ela ser muito feliz...

posso lhe garantir que não espero menos de si...

acho tem é de mudar os critérios, acho que de ser uma pessoa que more perto, para uma pessoa, (claro de confiança que a trate bem, que tenha condições, onde ela seja o unico animal..) que tenha mão nela e lhe "explique" bem a hierarquia das coisas em casa!

e que tal uma escola de obdiência?

[yoga2]

Ás vezes para não dizer sempre, o melhor para qualquer animal é nunca ser tratado como uma pessoa porque efectivamente não o é. o cao tem de saber qual o seu lugar. parece simples mas ão é...mas basta imaginar como seria numa matilha, o lider luta pelo seu lugar, se falhar perde o seu lugar de lider, então seguindo esse pensamento é só tentar fazer a mesma coisa. pode parecer cruel para os mais sensíveis, mas não é, é como os cães funcionam e entendem. Desculpe tonichacarrilho mas um cao dormir na cama do seu filho não faz bem ao cão, pelas razões acima descritas, mas principalmente para saude do seu filho.

[estrelaguia]

Tenho acompanhado este tópico e até conheço uma pessoa que se candidatou para esta menina...
Acontece que esta cadela está completamente mal educada, só tem é mimo e faz o que quer...Um dia, se não encontrar uns donos que tenham mão nela e a ponham num bom treinador, vão-se dar grandes sarilhos...
Tratar bem um cão não é po-lo a dormir na cama e deixá-lo fazer tudo... E aí Tonicha, você está a errar e a contribuir para a infelicidade da Carlota, que quanto mais tiver, mais vai sofrer quando tiver um dono que a ponha no lugar...
E já agora, não seja tão selectiva, pois á distancia pode estar quem consiga fazer da Carlota um cão sem a mania que é gente.

[tonichacarrilho]

Boa noite...
vcs tem razão...mas o meu medo de a deixar ir para longe foi mais forte...
por isso a menina vai ficar sossegada por uns tempso....vai ter aulas de obdiencia..e depois logo se procura um dono á sua altura..
ela está bem...é o que importa...
beijos para todos... e não me deitem para a fogueira...fiz o melhor que sei...

[dinodane]

Quer juntar uma pit com uma bull dominante?

Dois indivíduos de duas raças dominantes DO MESMO SEXO?

Não me façam rir...

[dinodane]

o que aconteceu ao post que acabei de ler??????

[susanatex]

Olá! O meu marido é um apaixonado por esta raça e, em conversa com ele, ponderámos em adoptar essa menina.
Como podem ver no meu pet site, tenho uma pit extremamente obediente e dócil, portanto a questão da educação seria algo ao qual já temos bastante experiência. Só teriamos de nos certificar se elas se dariam bem. Se ainda estiver interessada em arranjar uma familia para essa menina, contacte-me e poderei mostrar as condições que tenho para lhe oferecer.

[dinodane]

Quer juntar uma pit com uma bull dominante?

Dois indivíduos de duas raças dominantes DO MESMO SEXO?

Não me façam rir...

[susanatex]

Quer juntar uma pit com uma bull dominante?

Dois indivíduos de duas raças dominantes DO MESMO SEXO?

Não me façam rir...

Pela minha cadela ponho as mãos no fogo, e aposto consigo que não me queimo. Fica aqui o meu convite se quiser vir visitar-me e conhecer uma cadela "potencialmente perigosa e dominante" extremamente dócil e carinhosa.

[dinodane]

Susanatex, vai desculpar-me a franqueza mas parece-me que percebe pouco da raça da cadela que tem. Ela pode ser extremamente dócil e amorosa com as pessoas mas e com outras cadelas?? Não ponha as mãos no fogo pois pode queimar-se... Duas cadelas dominantes em disputa podem ser um FOGO que você não vai conseguir controlar, bem mais violentas que dois machos... Muito sinceramente, e já a Carlota tendo problemas, essa união vai dar problemas... Não se apercebe que corre o risco muito real de um dia chegar a casa e se deparar com uma das cadelas ferida ou mesmo morta?
Em raças dominantes, juntar dois cães de sexos opostos já é complicado, agora dois do mesmo sexo juntos é loucura...
A não ser que tanto a Susanatex e o seu marido sejam ambos treinadores experientes e estejam sempre presentes e atentos a alguma escaramuça e que as deixem sempre separadas uma da outra quando se ausentam... é o caso?

[dinodane]

Algumas ideias básicas sobre o temperamento do pit no que diz respeito a outros cães:

DE http://www.realpitbull.com


"Pit Bulls are generally quite aggressive towards other animals, although the degree of aggression will vary from dog to dog. Pit Bulls are naturally animal aggressive and it is therefore necessary for the Pit Bull owner to take certain precautions in the housing, training, and socialization of the animal. Pit Bulls also have a very strong prey drive. Small animals such as birds, squirrels and cats are often viewed as "hunting" targets. The young Pit Bull should be socialized from early on with many types of animals and other dogs. Basic early obedience training is a must. However, you cannot socialize or train away genetics. Since most Pit Bulls are pre-disposed to animal aggression, socialization and training are simply tools of management. A dog that has been raised properly will be easier to handle and control than a dog that has not been socialized or taught how to behave.

Animal aggression as it relates to the Pit Bull is a tricky thing. Even dogs that have never manifested the trait may, at some point, fire up and engage in a fight with another dog or suddenly begin to take a strong interest in small animals. Also, many specimens of the breed will never start a fight, yet will not back down if challenged.

Because Pit Bulls have a desire or even a compulsive instinct to fight, they are not necessarily looking to show dominance or obtain rank by aggressing. Even fairly submissive individuals cannot be trusted to remain out of trouble at all times. Allowing a Pit Bull to "work out rank" with other dogs is dangerous and may very well result in injuries. Although neutering can definately help in some cases (particularly with young males), do not count on the operation eliminating the aggression completely. Both sexes can be animal aggressive, although males can be more "firey". Same-sex aggression is a problem, and many a bitch-owner has stated that female fights are far worse than male-on-male bouts. Regardless of the sexes involved, it is generally felt that same-sex households are not a good idea, particularly for the novice owner."

DE: www.pitbulllovers.com

Understanding Their Temperament
Dog On Dog Aggression The Pit Bull is a purpose-bred dog. Historically, Pit Bulls were bred as a hunting dog of large game.

Later, the Pit Bull served as a farm dog and butcher's tool for taking down bulls for slaughter.

Later still, the dog was bred to fight other dogs for money and entertainment.

This purpose-breeding has given the Pit Bull behavior attributes that may not be desirable to all prospective owners.

The Pit Bull is strong, intelligent, and has been bred for a willingness to "test their mettle" against larger animals and other dogs.

It is not uncommon for Pit Bulls to not get along with other dogs; especially dogs of the same sex and dogs that are not neutered or spayed. This by far is not always the case with this breed, but the predisposition for varying levels of dog-aggressive behavior is very much there.
It is important for the potential owner of a Pit Bull to be realistic with their expectations of their new dog, and to be prepared to have a wonderful family dog that may not be able to socialize with other dogs. This is especially true of someone that is adopting or buying a puppy.

A benefit to adopting a young adult or full grown Pit Bull is that their behavior is more fixed and reliable. Contrary to what many well-intentioned but incorrectly informed new owners think, a Pit Bull's behavior is not influenced only by how you raise them.

Puppies from the same litter that receive the same love and socialization will range from being completely non dog-aggressive even when provoked or attacked, to dogs that will go out of their way to start a fight with any dog if not restrained. Dog aggression is common with all terriers. It is a trait also held by the Rottweiler, Akita, Malamute, and Doberman.
The Pit Bull does not fully mature until over two years of age. Due to this late maturity, some Pit Bulls that were dog-friendly as puppies will begin to show intolerance of unfamiliar dogs as they get older. This does not mean that the dog cannot play with other dogs, but it may mean that the Pit Bull should stick to dog playmates that it already knows.

In some cases, Pit Bulls that were friendly with other dogs when younger will be unable to be with any dogs later in life. This is not common, but it is something that every responsible Pit Bull owner must consider. Having a Pit Bull neutered or spayed around 6 months of age can greatly reduce the chances of intolerance occurring later in its life.

Caution Should be taken even if you think your dog is dog-friendly
Although many Pit Bulls get along well with other dogs, it is dangerous to expect all Pit Bulls to do so in all situations. A Pit Bull that is very dog-friendly may seriously injure or kill another dog if a fight is started. Because of this, the best way to keep dogs safe while they play is to take steps to decrease the chances of a fight starting.
It is always a good idea to introduce any dog to a new dog slowly, and on leash. Many people feel that it is best to pick a neutral ground, like a back yard of a house where neither of the dogs live. It is wise to first eliminate things like food bowls and toys that can trigger a fight.

First offering two of the same toy, such as two tennis balls, may reduce possible tension during play. Pit Bulls can play very well with dogs of all breeds and sizes, but it is important to supervise all playtime. Through supervision, the owners can step in if play is too rough or if tension arises, avoiding a possible fight.
It is vital that Pit Bulls be supervised when with other dogs. This is even true for dogs that have grown up together or get along perfectly. After a serious fight, relations between the dogs may never be the same, increasing tension and the chance for more fighting. If a fight does happen, a Pit Bull can inflict serious damage to another dog very quickly. If a Pit Bull is left at home with another dog, the dogs need to be separated.
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Although not always the case, dogs tend to be more relaxed and less prone to aggression when interacting with a dog of the opposite sex. This is a good thing to keep in mind when considering bringing a new dog into a household that already has a family dog.

Having a multi-dog household
Many people have great success in having a Pit Bull in a multiple-dog household. Some Pit Bulls will not tolerate other dogs, but more often Pit Bulls enjoy having canine family members. Some people believe that the easiest way to ensure success with having more than one dog in a household is to get them as puppies and raise them together.
This method can work, but it is not always successful. Due to the varying degrees of intolerance for dogs that can be acquired genetically, raising puppies together is not a guarantee for compatibility. Many dogs end up in shelters due to intolerance towards the other family dog as they mature.
A risk must be assessed when brining a Pit Bull puppy home into a house with other dogs, or brining two puppies home together. An owner needs to understand that they may have a situation as the Pit Bull matures where the dogs cannot be together safely. This usually is not the case, however being unprepared for this possibility is not fair to the dogs involved.

When bringing home a Pit Bull puppy, the new owner needs to assume responsibility for the breeds predisposed behavior and make a commitment to keep it safe and happy for its entire life no matter what may arise.
Having puppies of separate sexes, and having them altered before full maturity may decrease some of the chances for aggressive behavior. Making efforts to keep tension and fighting from starting is very important. Feed the dogs separately, even if they seem to share a food bowl without problems.

Be cautious when offering raw meat, bones, and special treats. A good idea is to have the dogs separated at feeding time. While some people resist this idea, it's better to be safe than sorry.
Having duplicates of favorite toys can help eliminate the dogs feeling the need to guard from each other. Interacting with the dogs equally can help keep them from feeling a need to compete for attention.

Activities such as going for walks together, playing ball in the yard, going to the river for a swim, or lying on the couch side by side for petting during a movie are ways to enjoy the dogs together and thus strengthen the bond with the dogs and with the owners.
Early Socialization may help prevent future problems
Socialization while the dogs are young is important as well. Exposing puppies to a variety of situations together in a positive way will help them be confident dogs as they grow up. Dogs that are feeling fearful or insecure are more likely to act aggressively towards each other or other dogs.
Many Pit Bull owners have found success in bringing older Pit Bulls into a home that already has a dog (either Pit Bull or other breed). By doing this the new owner has a general idea of the new Pit Bull's behavior with other dogs, and knows the behavior of their first dog, as well. There are many success stories from people that adopt through a rescue or animal shelter that have used this method.
Another idea to keep in mind when considering adding another dog to the family is foster care. Many rescues and shelters are in great need of foster families for dogs.

This allows a family the chance to get used to having more dogs, gives time for the existing dog to adjust to having a canine family member, and may help the decision on which dog to adopt or if the family is ready to adopt another dog.

The greatest benefit to fostering is that a life is being saved. Fostered dogs are no longer in the shelter risking euthanasia, and once a dog is in a foster home, another dog can have the chance for a foster family.
In Conclusion
Having multiple dogs, taking your Pit Bull around other dogs, introducing new dogs to your dog, should all be handled with caution.
Not because your dog is "bad." You as a responsible owner should know that the genetics of your breed lean toward dog on dog aggression. Keeping your dog and those dogs around your dog safe is your responsibility."

[dinodane]

Peço desculpa pelo testamento e pelo off-topic, mas é informação extremamente útil para quem tem pits e "põe as mãos no fogo" por eles quando toca ao relacionamento com outros cães.

[yoga2]

tonicha ninguem está a deitar para a fogueira, julgo que tentou dar o máximo de confoto à Carlota, mas nem sempre o que nos parece certo é...são apenas conselhos que para o seu bem e o bem da familia e principalmente do cão, deveria aplicá-los desde já, para não ser tarde de mais. Veja bem... se a Carlota pensar que domina, sentando-se no sofá e dormindo na cama, e um dia calhar a morder a alguem terá de ser abatida.
ela tem de saber o seu lugar em casa, pertence á familia mas é a ultima a "opinar" ou seja na cabecinha deles existe o lider e vai-se seguindo na "hierarquia" e a carlota tem de estar no final, ou seja, depois dos seus filhos . é bom ela ir para a escola mas a tonicha deveria ir também para depois praticar em casa o que ela aprende na escola senão ela vai esquecer, por muito que lhe custe, tratar a carlota como um "cão" e ser cão passa por NUNCA dormir na cama NUNCA ir para o sofá e LIMITAR a sua área dentro de casa, é para o bem de todos boa sorte