PETA - ENTÂO E O DIREITO DE ESCOLHA?!

[PauloC]

Caros amigos,
Como muito de vocês sabem, eu não sou, nunca fui e nem pretendo vir a ser Criador de raça nenhuma. Como sabem também, sou um acérrimo opositor aos "criadores de ocasião" que criam por 'graça', porque o 'animalzinho precisa' ou simplesmente porque querem ganhar uns cobres. Criar? Só com exemplares devidamente certificados em termos de saúde ( fisica e de caracter) e com reconhecimento através de avaliação por gente credenciada (Juizes em Pista).
Pode ser uma posição demasiado radical, e muitos de vocês certamente estarão a pensar que existem muitos exemplares fora de pista que "merecem" ser reproduzidos e que nem todos os donos têm 'paciência' de participar em exposições, monográficas, provas de trabalho, etc. Pois bem....se não têm paciência para isto, então talvez devam pensar para o que mais não terão paciência e se devem mesmo ser criadores! A defesa da qualidade dos exemplares passa por 'ter paciência para estas coisas'!
Pois bem, esta introdução serve para chegar a um ponto fundamental que é este: Eu só aprovo a criação responsável. Não só aprovo como a incentivo, e sempre que voltar a adquirir um exemplar de qualquer raça, é a um criador responsável e credenciado que irei procurá-lo.
Acerca de Raça, Criação e Criadores, e a propósito de algumas dúvidas que surgiram no Forum acerca da posição da PETA sobre este assunto, coloquei-lhe recentemente algumas questões. Não responderam a tudo o que eu queria, mas deram-me uma ideia clara da posição deles acerca da criação de cães, mesmo que responsável e cuidada: NINGUÉM DEVE CRIAR CÃES, POR MAIS CUIDADA QUE SEJA A SUA POSTURA!
A justificação? Simples! Cada cão que nasce fruto da criação ( responsável ou não) é menos uma possibilidade de adopção para um cão que esteja num abrigo!!!
Pois..... bom argumento!!! Será que esta gente tem filhos biológicos?!?!?!?!

Abraços a todos
Paulo C.

P.S. - Se quiserem poderei colocar aqui a troca de mails que tive com eles.

[yakov]

Caro PauloC

Estou absolutamente de acordo contigo. A PETA é infelizmente uma Associação de Fanáticos ou se quiseres, como está em voga ultimamente de Fundamentalistas. Não são Islâmicos, mas os métodos saõ os mesmos, tudo na defesa dos Direitos dos Animais. Preferem que eles morram em liberdade porque estão livres, a que, sejam socorridos, porque há aí intervenção humana.

Seria muito sclarecedor se pudesses passar aqui os mails que trocaste com eles.

[PauloC]

Bem... optei por colocar aqui os mails já. De referir que os mails estão por ordem decrescente de datas, ou seja, os mais antigos são os últimos.

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Hi Shelly,
You made your stance, but I am affraid you haven´t convinced me!
Well..... everyone is intituled to his/her opinion ;o)
Just out of curiosity, don´t PETA members have any Kids of their own (Biological children)?

Best regards
Paulo C.

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De: "Shelly Breitbeil" <[email protected]>
Data: 31/07/2002 00:37:18
Para: "Paulo C."
Assunto: RE: FAQ at Peta's website

Hi Paulo~

Thanks for your e-mail.

We simply oppose breeding no matter how wonderful the breeder may be. Bottom line is this: for every kitten or puppy a breeder produces, another animal in a shelter dies--if breeders weren't an option, people wanting to adopt an animal companion would have to adopt from a shelter. Yes, we agreee that adopting an animal is a life choice, but not all people follow that same belief unfortunately (hence the thousands of animals dropped off at shelters evey day).

I hope this clarifies our stance a bit further, you're more than welcome to share this information. Please encourage people to adopt from shelters (there are many wonderful animals to be found there), thousands of animals' lives depend on it.

Thanks again for your e-mail.

Shelly

-----Original Message-----
From: Paulo C.
Sent: Sun 7/28/2002 9:40 PM
To: Shelly Breitbeil
Cc:
Subject: Re: FAQ at Peta's website


Dear Shelly,

Unfortunatly, altought I agree with some of your points and views, there are some fundamental aspects that i cannot agree at all ( but this is only my personal point of view).
For instance, you state that PETA is opposed to breeding because of the current dog and cat overpopulation crisis, and I agree! But you "cannot" blame that on responsible breeding!
If there are to many cats and dogs breeding freely on the streets, if there are to many people breeding their animals just because it is 'cute', for "profit" and other such reasons, then our actions should concentrate on those aspects! Don't you agree?
A responsible breeder, as I see one, among other things, is someone who breeds only:
- For the betterment of the breed, with Excelent and Healthy animals;
- When they are sure they will have homes for all the puppies;
- If they are willing ( and have the conditions) to accept back all the puppies that are returned to them;
There are many more conditions, but those are the more relevant ones concerning the aspects you refered to.
No one, not even with humans, can know what will happen in the future to their offsprings!! But what we can do is to be sure we do our part, and give others all the information we can so that they will do their part to, in creating all the conditions to give them a good future! I don't think it is fair to put all in the same bag! There are breeders and there are Breeders ( with a Capital "B").
I also think this is a 'bad' argument: "every newborn puppy or kitten they produce means one less home"!! A Cat or a Dog must be a choice for life! Like all choices for life we must be sure they are exactly what we want, so that in the future we will not regret that decison, and abandon or return them! If someone wants a Dog, and breed is not an issue, then they should go to a shelter and adopt one there! But if the breed ( and all that is associated with that breed characteristics) is an issue, than they should get all the information about it and about the places where they can get such a dog from. The shelter can be again an option, but only for those who don´t have nothing against not knowing where the dog came from ( his genetics in terms of behaviour or health) or what kind of life he had before ( if already a grown pup or adult)! It's, above all, a personal decision!
I also think that as an International Organization, you should´t be limited in your views by what happens in the US! Unfortunatly not all shelters around the world have the same conditions as the ones in te US! Most of our "shelters" are only "dog deposits", full of dogs and deseases!
For the time being, in Portugal, it is very rare to see a Dog breed in the animal Shelters (most of them are only lost), but with BSL coming soon i am affraid some breeds will start to come soon!
And BSL leeds us to the Pit Bull issue........If you agree that there is a place in caring homes for Pitt Bull, and if you agree that Pit Bulls can, indeed, be loving companions... then WHY BAN THEM! Shouln' t you ban Bad owners instead? Shouldn´t your action be against the one on the other side of the leach?!
If you ban PIT BULL, those persons with the 'Macho' attitude will turn to another breed! And then that one will be baned, and they will turn to another one! And so on, until they will turn to Dogs without breed! The problem is People, not dogs or their breeds!!!
People should be alowed to choose their life companions, no matter they are from a breed or no breed at all.
Please fight Bad owners, not 'Bad Breeds' (This does not exist!). Blame the deed not the breed!!!
I Personally do not Breed my Dogs. This is my option as a responsable person. But I love the Rottweiler breed and this is the breed of my choice. I will always have Rottweilers as long as i live, and I will always get them from a responsible breeder. This is MY choice and, as long as i act responsible as a owner, my right.
I would like, if you give me your permission, to share your answer with others who have the same doubts I have.
Best regards
Paulo C.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shelly Breitbeil" <[email protected]>
To: Paulo C.
Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2002 9:32 PM
Subject: FW: FAQ at Peta's website


Dear Paulo~

Thank you for your e-mail and for your suggestion for the FAQ section of our website. I think it's an excellent idea, and have passed this suggestion on to the Director of our Domestic Animal Issues and Abuses department for consideration.

PETA is opposed to breeding because of the current dog and cat overpopulation crisis. Approximately 2,500 kittens and puppies are born each hour in the U.S., and because their numbers far exceed the demand for them, millions of homeless cats and dogs suffer from abandonment, abuse, starvation, disease, freezing, highway death, or procurement for laboratories. Animal shelters receive about 27 million animals annually.
More than half-- about 17 million--must be destroyed for lack of homes. Most are under 18 months of age, and 90 percent are healthy and adoptable.

In light of these tragic statistics, no breeding can be considered "responsible." Those who breed animals for profit and individuals who let their dog or cat have "just one litter," however well-intentioned they may be, are contributing to the severe dog and cat overpopulation crisis. Even breeders who take extra care to make sure every puppy and kitten they produce is placed have no control over what happens to the offspring of those animals. And even if they were to ensure that the animals they produce are spayed and neutered (which is quite rare in the breeding industry), every newborn puppy or kitten they produce means one less home for a dog or cat desperately waiting in a shelter or roaming the streets.

PETA also advocates a ban on the breeding of pit bulls (any ban should, however, include a grandfather clause protecting all pit bulls living in caring homes). We do believe that pit bulls can, indeed, be loving companions, but nice families rarely come to a shelter to adopt pit bulls.
Almost without exception, those who want pit bulls are attracted to the "macho" image of this animal as a living weapon and seek to display it by putting them in heavy chains, taunting them into aggression, and leaving them out in all weather to "toughen" them.

When shelters are destroying dogs by the tens of thousands, why breed pit bulls, or any dogs? There are many, many wonderful dogs in shelters who need homes. PETA urges everyone who can provide a permament, loving home to adopt one of these animals and to spay and neuter them.

I hope I have properly addressed your questions, and have made our postion clear. Thank you again for your e-mail and your suggestion, and for all you do for the animals.

Shelly Breitbeil
PETA

-----Original Message-----
From: Paulo C.
Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 11:16 AM
To: info
Subject: FAQ at Peta's website

Hello,
I would like to sugest a question for your FAQ topic. Dog Breeds, and specially those breeds created with specific functions or for their "looks", are often a "target" for those who are against breeding Dogs and everything related with this.
Since it is a topic wich has much contraditions on peoples minds, I would like to know your oficial standing on the subject: "DOG BREEDS AND DOG BREEDING". Please say someting about BSL ( Breed Specific Legislation) and about: Do we need breeds that were made for "Dog fighting" ( The "Bull breeds"), and what to do with them?

Thank you very much for your concern
Paulo C.
(www.rottpt.net)

[mindbullet]

Paulo concordo contigo a 100%

Acho que a PETA é uma "peta"... são muito radicais.

Seguindo o mesmo raciocínio radical, acabavam-se os criadores, e como tal os cães de raça, pois todos os cães seriam adoptados nos canis.
Como tal, todo o trabalho de apuramento das raças, nalgumas um trabalho secular, seria irremediavelmente perdido!!!

Considerando uma posição absurda e extremamente radical, uma vez que não existiriam criadores, só os cães vadios teriam hipótese de se reproduzir e esses seriam cada vez menos, pois seriam recolhidos e adoptados.
Eventualmente este número iria reduzir drasticamente e dentro de 3 ou 4 décadas o cão estaria em risco de extinção.


Sinceramente... aqueles senhores fazem-me lembrar um animal (que infelizmente está em risco de extinção) que usava palas nos olhos, tinha cascos e era teimoso...

[aisd]

Como a maioria (senão todos) os fundamentalistas, a PETA escolheu algumas linhas básicas e agarra-se a elas com unhas e dentes fugindo, como o diabo da cruz, de toda e qualquer discussão ou complexidade !
Fica tudo muito fácil !
Se dissermos que matar é um crime (e pronto !), não vamos discutir
quando alguém argumenta que podemos matar em defesa própria ou que
temos o direito de dispôr da nossa própria vida (suicídio ou eutanásia), ainda menos discutimos se se pode matar para comer ou para defender outros cuja vida está ameaçada!
É este tipo de atitude que faz muita gente pensar que os americanos são estúpidos !
A vida é tão complexa ! Haverá alguma coisa que se possa reduzir a uma verdade simples e inabalável?
Para mim o interesse da vida reside justamente na complexidade das situações e na procura constante da posição mais justa.
Mas a maioria das pessoas acha que pensar ou refletir dá muito trabalho.
Preferem a papa feita e as soluções mastigadas!
A mim não me parece nada absurdo procurar um cão com determinadas características (foi o que eu fiz) porque o meu objectivo é ser feliz com ele e fazê-lo feliz !
Ter um cão é uma opção para a vida - não é coisa que se faça
levianamente, nem temos o direito de brincar com os sentimentos dos animais que nos amam independentemente daquilo que somos!
A PETA tem tudo resolvido ! A solução está traçada ! Vai-se a um canil, adopta-se e se não gostarmos, devolvêmos !
Não há problema ! O animal é um brinquedo para ser usado enquanto quisermos brincar !
Não vos lembra nada ?

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