Ainda pensam que as rações não premium são baratas?
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Ora boa noite, já que se fala tanto de marcas, deixo aqui mais uma marca; Best Choice, que é Super Premium. Tem ração para cães e gatos, e, embora não seja muito usual, tem também alimentação húmida da qual destaco a Lamb&Rice e uma Hipoalérgica para situações de hipersensibilidade.
Já agora podem pedir informações através http://arcadenoe.clix.pt/dir.php3?op=details&com=696
Cpts,
Já agora podem pedir informações através http://arcadenoe.clix.pt/dir.php3?op=details&com=696
Cpts,
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Premium, superpremium, qual a próxima ? megapremium ? Fantasticapremium ?
Raispartamqueépremium ?
Raispartamqueépremium ?

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a diferença, é que quem cuida do canito... recebe um prémium, ou um super premium; montes de abanadelas de cauda, lambidelas, arfadas de satisfação... muitas felicidades e muitos anos de vida... (isto não é daqui, pois não??)
o que importa é se o animal come com satisfação e se tem saúde, o resto vem por acréscimo...
o que importa é se o animal come com satisfação e se tem saúde, o resto vem por acréscimo...
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Isso é uma marca de ração alemã?CasadeAnaval Escreveu:
Raispartamqueépremium ?![]()

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Bom dia
Estou a dar neste momento Purina Pro Plan Puppy ao meu Boxer de 2 meses, havera algum problema em mudar para Acana?
A qualidade das 2 é muito diferente ou nem por isso?
Kroz, que conheçe tão bem esta ração diga-me o que pensa.
Pensado no preço e na qualidade trocava de ração?
Obrigada,
Susana.
Estou a dar neste momento Purina Pro Plan Puppy ao meu Boxer de 2 meses, havera algum problema em mudar para Acana?
A qualidade das 2 é muito diferente ou nem por isso?
Kroz, que conheçe tão bem esta ração diga-me o que pensa.
Pensado no preço e na qualidade trocava de ração?
Obrigada,
Susana.

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Eu digo-vos uma coisa cada vez que se abre um tópico ou se fala sobre rações fico completamente baralhada, sem saber o que dar aos meus cães, ando para mudar de ração à mais de quanto tempo e não sei me decidir por qual.Baileys Escreveu: Ora bem... outra vez rações.![]()
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Aconselho os seguintes sites:
www.greatgoldens.com
www.eskie.net/dog/food
Mas para dar um achega.. aqui fica umas "comparaçõezitas", entre rações gama SUPER super premium (que infelizmente não existem cá, pelo menos que eu conheça): Life's Abundance; Premium: Hill´s Science Diet Adult Maintenance e Eukanuba Adult Maintenance; e Regular: Purina One Adult Lamb & Rice Meal & Rice...
Verde- favorável
Vermelho- desfavorável
1º - olhar para os primeiros 3 ingredientes (que costumam ser os principais componentes das rações);
- Milho, trigo, gluten e soja são geralmente fontes inferiores de proteina. São normalmente dificeis de digerir bem como consumidas pelo corpo. Podem tb. causar, a alguns cães, problemas gastro-intestinais. "Meat" e "bone meal" (componentes à base de ossos), podem conter quantidades desconhecidas de osso, que é tb. uma fonte inferior de proteina.
Life's Abundance (100% natural): Chicken Meal (livre de hormonas e esteroides); Ground Brown Rice; Batata
Hill´s Science Diet Adult Maintenance: Galinha; Milho; Ground Grain Sorghum
Eukanuba Adult Maintenance: Lamb Meal; Chicken Byproduct Meal; Milho
Purina One Adult Lamb & Rice Meal & Rice: Galinha; Brewers rice; Whole grain Corn
2º - Atenção a quimicos prejudiciais e a "By-Products". Conservantes podem ser mto prejudiciais, by-products são normalmente fontes de proteina inferior e corantes artificiais são considerados, por mtos vets, como fontes de problemas de saúde.
Life's Abundance (100% natural): ConservantesMixed Tocopherols; By-productsnenhum; Corantes artificiaisnenhum
Hill´s Science Diet Adult Maintenance: Conservantes BHA,BHT; By-products sim; Corantes artificiaisnenhum
Eukanuba Adult Maintenance: ConservantesMixed Tocopherols; By-products sim; Corantes artificiaisnenhum
Purina One Adult Lamb & Rice Meal & Rice: ConservantesMixed Tocopherols; By-products sim; Corantes artificiaisnenhum
3º - Procurar por ingredientes que promovam saúde. Probiotics, são bons para o sistema imunitário e digestivo. Antioxidantes são vitais para uma boa saúde, Chelated minerals são melhor absorvidos e Vegetais, excelentes fontes de antioxidantes e fitonutrientes.
Life's Abundance (100% natural): Probiotics sim; Antioxidantes sim, extracto de sementes de uva; Chelated Minerals sim; Vegetais sim
Hill´s Science Diet Adult Maintenance: Probiotics não; Antioxidantes sim; Chelated Minerals nenhum; Vegetais nenhum
Eukanuba Adult Maintenance: Probiotics não; Antioxidantes sim; Chelated Minerals nenhum; Vegetais nenhum
Purina One Adult Lamb & Rice Meal & Rice: Probiotics não; Antioxidantes sim; Chelated Minerals nenhum; Vegetais nenhum
Pontuação:
Life's Abundance (100% natural): 10
Hill´s Science Diet Adult Maintenance: 4
Eukanuba Adult Maintenance: 4
Purina One Adult Lamb & Rice Meal & Rice: 5
Espero ter ajudado.
Quer dizer todas tem algo negativo?
O que mais se fica a saber nestes tópicos é o que cada um dá ao seu cão, entre outras coisas mais úteis, felizmente.
Pois aqui vai, dou Killina e quero mudar porque não me parecem satisfeitos (principalmente a Ruca). Quanto aos ingredientes não sei, compro no vet e confiei.
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O Real come Eukanuba, gosta (mas também ele gosta de TUDO), por isso não penso trocar.
Mas tenho pena que não se venda Eagle Pack cá em Portugal, porque acho que deve ser uma excelente ração. Em especial para cães de raças grandes/gigantes.
http://www.auxidog.com/
Mas tenho pena que não se venda Eagle Pack cá em Portugal, porque acho que deve ser uma excelente ração. Em especial para cães de raças grandes/gigantes.
http://www.auxidog.com/
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De facto a Eagle Pack, é uma das boas rações, entre muitas que não se vendem por cá.SarahKay Escreveu: Mas tenho pena que não se venda Eagle Pack cá em Portugal, porque acho que deve ser uma excelente ração. Em especial para cães de raças grandes/gigantes.
http://www.auxidog.com/
Mas atenção, que o segredo da fórmula Large Breed de crescimento, é que para todos os efeitos não passa de uma fórmula de adulto.

<p>Cumprimentos,</p>
<p>Diamantino</p>
<p>Diamantino</p>
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Sim, é verdade, mas se está provado que as rações para cachorro (puppy) tem excesso de proteinas para os cães de raças grandes, porque não dar-lhes uma ração de cachorro com caracteristicas de adulto (ou seja menos proteinas)?
Mas nisto das rações ouve-se de tudo.... É dificil saber quem está a falar a sério e quem está apenas a fazer a sua estratégia de marketing...
Eu sou da opinião de fazer uma pesquisa sobre todas e depois ver qual o meu instinto acha melhor
(neste caso simpatizei mesmo com a Eagle Pack :p )

Mas nisto das rações ouve-se de tudo.... É dificil saber quem está a falar a sério e quem está apenas a fazer a sua estratégia de marketing...
Eu sou da opinião de fazer uma pesquisa sobre todas e depois ver qual o meu instinto acha melhor


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E porque não dar-lhes uma boa ração de adulto ?SarahKay Escreveu: Sim, é verdade, mas se está provado que as rações para cachorro (puppy) tem excesso de proteinas para os cães de raças grandes, porque não dar-lhes uma ração de cachorro com caracteristicas de adulto (ou seja menos proteinas)?
<p>Cumprimentos,</p>
<p>Diamantino</p>
<p>Diamantino</p>
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Sim, e parece-me boa. Aliás, esta e a Wellness paremce-me de um nivel acima do que por cá temos.SarahKay Escreveu: Então mas não disse que esta ração era boa?!![]()
O que eu estou a perguntar é, uma vez que concorda que se deve dar uma ração com estas carecteristicas (relação proteína/gordura), e uma vez que a Eagle Pack não está no nosso mercado, por que não dar uma ração de adulto ?
<p>Cumprimentos,</p>
<p>Diamantino</p>
<p>Diamantino</p>
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Bem, por isto:
FOODS AND PUPPY FEEDING
Puppy Foods..... Are They Really Necessary?
by Linda Arndt
I am writing this as a Great Dane breeder of 30 years, as well as a canine nutritional consultant focusing on the large and giant breeds. My opinion is not science, it is however based in raising many dogs and dealing with hundreds of breeders over the years and assisting them with nutritional and orthopedic problems.
As a University professor of 30 years, I have been involved in research in
antioxidants and dietary enzymes, and I understand full well the importance good solid research. I also know research in canine nutrition, particularly in the large breeds, and especially the giant breeds, research is slim to none and some of the most recent work in large breeds is severely flawed.
So that brings me to the topic of Puppy Foods. Is it appropriate to use on
the large and giant breeds? And if so, when and why is it appropriate. The
issue of knowing whether or not to feed a puppy food is one of confusion and controversy. The dog food companies and veterinarians tell us, you "must" feed a puppy food for proper growth. Yet breeders tell puppy buyers NOT to use a Puppy food, based on their years of experience with uneven growth patterns and bone diseases, due to feeding a caloric dense diets. Breeders coined the phrase "a hot food". This means one that is very high in calories and it causes the dogs to shoot straight up due to accelerated long bone growth and yet the dogs have no muscle mass to support the joints.
Caloric dense foods also create uneven growth patterns, lameness and can actually alter the genetic structure of an animal which changes their
conformation. This shows up structurally with permanent narrowing of the
chest width, shallow chests rising well above the elbow, elbowing turning in, toe pointing out, inward turn of the hocks (cowhocks), roached toplines and rear end assembly being 2-4 inches taller than the front end assembly at the withers.
When breeders talk about dog foods in general, they are so concerned about 'protein levels', yet that is only a small part of the total picture when assessing a food for growth. Proteins, fats and carbohydrates combined are what creates the usable calories per cup. It is the accumulative effect of those calories on growth patterns, as well as how the protein, fats and carbohydrates relate to each other, that determines the rate of growth in an animal.
Also the number of calories and their availability to an animal's system,
will vary from brand to brand. For example - a utilitarian/grocery brand of
food containing 21% protein and 10% fat will not be used the same as one of the premium or super premium foods of the same protein/fat content. This is due to the quality of ingredients used in the food and the bioavailability of the vitamins/minerans and amino acid supplements used on the food. And not all foods that are of the same protein and fat content are the same calories per cup!
The other component to providing a slow and even growth pattern, has to do with the quality of the mineral composition on a food and how available it is to the animal. A chelated or sequestered optimal and balanced mineral composition is critical to preventing numerous growth related diseases such as HOD, OCD, Pano, nutritional Wobblers, Hip Dysplasia. There are other factors that can contribute to these diseases such as injury, trauma and genetics, but it has been my experience in Great Danes/Giant breeds and working with breeders, that the majority of orthopedic problems are indeed nutritional in origin.
Based on my own feed trials and working with hundreds of breeders of numerous breeds over the past 30 years, I have found a suitable solution for feeding the large/giant breed dogs, which is more in tune to their metabolism and the evolution of these dogs.
By feeding the in following manner, I believe we can avoid many developmental orthopedic diseases (DOD)
- feed a very high quality "super premium" food
- one with multiple proteins (meat/poultry/fish/eggs) no straight
- lamb/rice diets
- pork/poultry/fish based diet
- moderate protein - 22-23% protein
- moderate fat -12-15% fat
- moderate calorie (320 - 350)
- chelated / sequestered minerals
- naturally preserved
- human grade or organic ingredients
- control portions of their daily consumption
The drastic growth stages from 8 weeks - 6 months, are a fragile
developmental stage and puppies are prone to growth diseases such as HOD (Hypertrophic Osteodystrophy) and OCD (Osteochronditis Dessicans). This means the large and giant breeds generally do better in their growth and development when fed an Adult Formula food, because they are moderate in their calories/protein/fat. However, not all Adult formulas are acceptable, because they do not have enough nutrition (vitamins/minerals/amino acids) present for proper growth. In fact it is my opinion very few adult formulas are appropriate for growth.
That is why I recommend feeding large/giant breed puppies Eagle Natural
Formula due to it's "optimum" level of nutrients, usable protein/fats/carbs
and moderate calories. Eagle Natural Formula 23% protein and 12% fat, allows puppies to develop slow and even long bone growth patterns without compromising their immune systems or their muscle mass. The nutritional content of the food has appropriate levels of vitamins / minerals / amino acids to support growth. Eagle Natural Formula has the longest track record of any commercial dog food (12 years) on the market, for the large/giant breeds, and it is the only food involved in extensive feed trials on large/giant breeds before it became available to the public. I know this because I was not only part of the feed trials, I located the breeders/litters to participate in this program.
Mother Nature Is The Key
Let's look at 'mother nature' for the answers on how to feed these fragile
large/giant breeds. If we look at what happens in the wild, puppies are not weaned from the dam until 6 - 8 weeks of age, and during that time they would be getting a high fat/calorie dense diet from nursing. But once they are weaned from the dam, the puppies only get small amounts of regurgitated foods and they actually get very little to eat until they are old enough to hunt on their own. So during those developmental stages in the wild, they are actually consuming less calories/nutrition.
I believe using a high calorie/protein/fat diet past 8 weeks of age, goes
against what nature intended, which is for them to grow slow and even, so
their muscles and bone developed at the same rate, lending support to the joints. Because of this, I do not use "puppy foods" on my puppies past 6-8 weeks of age. By switching to a moderate protein/fat/calorie food with the highest quality vitamin/minerals/amino acids like Eagle Natural Formula 23% protein 12% fat, we can mimics what would happen in the wild in terms of growth patterns, which in turn builds a stronger foundation for the animal's structure and eliminates developmental orthopedic diseases or DOD's.
I hope this helps explain the questions about using a puppy food. I also have a small list of other acceptable foods, if Eagle is not available in your
area.
FOODS AND PUPPY FEEDING
Puppy Foods..... Are They Really Necessary?
by Linda Arndt
I am writing this as a Great Dane breeder of 30 years, as well as a canine nutritional consultant focusing on the large and giant breeds. My opinion is not science, it is however based in raising many dogs and dealing with hundreds of breeders over the years and assisting them with nutritional and orthopedic problems.
As a University professor of 30 years, I have been involved in research in
antioxidants and dietary enzymes, and I understand full well the importance good solid research. I also know research in canine nutrition, particularly in the large breeds, and especially the giant breeds, research is slim to none and some of the most recent work in large breeds is severely flawed.
So that brings me to the topic of Puppy Foods. Is it appropriate to use on
the large and giant breeds? And if so, when and why is it appropriate. The
issue of knowing whether or not to feed a puppy food is one of confusion and controversy. The dog food companies and veterinarians tell us, you "must" feed a puppy food for proper growth. Yet breeders tell puppy buyers NOT to use a Puppy food, based on their years of experience with uneven growth patterns and bone diseases, due to feeding a caloric dense diets. Breeders coined the phrase "a hot food". This means one that is very high in calories and it causes the dogs to shoot straight up due to accelerated long bone growth and yet the dogs have no muscle mass to support the joints.
Caloric dense foods also create uneven growth patterns, lameness and can actually alter the genetic structure of an animal which changes their
conformation. This shows up structurally with permanent narrowing of the
chest width, shallow chests rising well above the elbow, elbowing turning in, toe pointing out, inward turn of the hocks (cowhocks), roached toplines and rear end assembly being 2-4 inches taller than the front end assembly at the withers.
When breeders talk about dog foods in general, they are so concerned about 'protein levels', yet that is only a small part of the total picture when assessing a food for growth. Proteins, fats and carbohydrates combined are what creates the usable calories per cup. It is the accumulative effect of those calories on growth patterns, as well as how the protein, fats and carbohydrates relate to each other, that determines the rate of growth in an animal.
Also the number of calories and their availability to an animal's system,
will vary from brand to brand. For example - a utilitarian/grocery brand of
food containing 21% protein and 10% fat will not be used the same as one of the premium or super premium foods of the same protein/fat content. This is due to the quality of ingredients used in the food and the bioavailability of the vitamins/minerans and amino acid supplements used on the food. And not all foods that are of the same protein and fat content are the same calories per cup!
The other component to providing a slow and even growth pattern, has to do with the quality of the mineral composition on a food and how available it is to the animal. A chelated or sequestered optimal and balanced mineral composition is critical to preventing numerous growth related diseases such as HOD, OCD, Pano, nutritional Wobblers, Hip Dysplasia. There are other factors that can contribute to these diseases such as injury, trauma and genetics, but it has been my experience in Great Danes/Giant breeds and working with breeders, that the majority of orthopedic problems are indeed nutritional in origin.
Based on my own feed trials and working with hundreds of breeders of numerous breeds over the past 30 years, I have found a suitable solution for feeding the large/giant breed dogs, which is more in tune to their metabolism and the evolution of these dogs.
By feeding the in following manner, I believe we can avoid many developmental orthopedic diseases (DOD)
- feed a very high quality "super premium" food
- one with multiple proteins (meat/poultry/fish/eggs) no straight
- lamb/rice diets
- pork/poultry/fish based diet
- moderate protein - 22-23% protein
- moderate fat -12-15% fat
- moderate calorie (320 - 350)
- chelated / sequestered minerals
- naturally preserved
- human grade or organic ingredients
- control portions of their daily consumption
The drastic growth stages from 8 weeks - 6 months, are a fragile
developmental stage and puppies are prone to growth diseases such as HOD (Hypertrophic Osteodystrophy) and OCD (Osteochronditis Dessicans). This means the large and giant breeds generally do better in their growth and development when fed an Adult Formula food, because they are moderate in their calories/protein/fat. However, not all Adult formulas are acceptable, because they do not have enough nutrition (vitamins/minerals/amino acids) present for proper growth. In fact it is my opinion very few adult formulas are appropriate for growth.
That is why I recommend feeding large/giant breed puppies Eagle Natural
Formula due to it's "optimum" level of nutrients, usable protein/fats/carbs
and moderate calories. Eagle Natural Formula 23% protein and 12% fat, allows puppies to develop slow and even long bone growth patterns without compromising their immune systems or their muscle mass. The nutritional content of the food has appropriate levels of vitamins / minerals / amino acids to support growth. Eagle Natural Formula has the longest track record of any commercial dog food (12 years) on the market, for the large/giant breeds, and it is the only food involved in extensive feed trials on large/giant breeds before it became available to the public. I know this because I was not only part of the feed trials, I located the breeders/litters to participate in this program.
Mother Nature Is The Key
Let's look at 'mother nature' for the answers on how to feed these fragile
large/giant breeds. If we look at what happens in the wild, puppies are not weaned from the dam until 6 - 8 weeks of age, and during that time they would be getting a high fat/calorie dense diet from nursing. But once they are weaned from the dam, the puppies only get small amounts of regurgitated foods and they actually get very little to eat until they are old enough to hunt on their own. So during those developmental stages in the wild, they are actually consuming less calories/nutrition.
I believe using a high calorie/protein/fat diet past 8 weeks of age, goes
against what nature intended, which is for them to grow slow and even, so
their muscles and bone developed at the same rate, lending support to the joints. Because of this, I do not use "puppy foods" on my puppies past 6-8 weeks of age. By switching to a moderate protein/fat/calorie food with the highest quality vitamin/minerals/amino acids like Eagle Natural Formula 23% protein 12% fat, we can mimics what would happen in the wild in terms of growth patterns, which in turn builds a stronger foundation for the animal's structure and eliminates developmental orthopedic diseases or DOD's.
I hope this helps explain the questions about using a puppy food. I also have a small list of other acceptable foods, if Eagle is not available in your
area.