Olá,
estava a fazer agora uma pesquisa na net sobre o Tosa Inu, e reparei que não existe nada em português sobre esta raça, fui espreitar ao site do CPC e reparei que na lista de criadores ela também não aparece, como nunca vi nenhum cão desta raça, fiquei agora curioso sobre ela. É estranho esta raça aparecer na lista de raças potencialmente perigosas, pois nem sei se existe algum criador ou exemplar em Portugal. Gostava de saber mais sobre esta raça pois para mim ela é inteiramente desconhecida, sabem de algum site credível, é que os que tive a ver em inglês não forneciam grande informação.
Obrigado e Boas Festas!
Tosa Inu
Moderador: mcerqueira
Oi..Essa raça é apenas vendida no Japão..a cena é que estes cães foram desenvolvidos para luta pelos Japoneses para ganharem à maior parte dos pitbulls e saem vencedorem em 90 por cento dos casos..pelo menos e o que diz na Net quando se pesquisa,penso que sera um cao difcil de teres pois esta banido de alguns Paises (
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Obrigado pelos links!
Eu não quero ter um cão destes só estou curioso, daí o pedir ajuda sobre as informações
Eu não quero ter um cão destes só estou curioso, daí o pedir ajuda sobre as informações
O cão é um cavalheiro, eu espero ir para o céu deles, não para o dos homens." (Mark Twain)
"The enem"y ????
Pelos vistos é só ir a Roménia... e trazer também uns bons ensinamentos relativos ao treino específico desta raça, porque mesmo o criador afirma algumas dificuldades...
Já agora em que paises está banido ?? Há fundamentação ???
Boa sorte e já agora veja mais algumas raças ( Portuguesas)!!!
Pelos vistos é só ir a Roménia... e trazer também uns bons ensinamentos relativos ao treino específico desta raça, porque mesmo o criador afirma algumas dificuldades...
Já agora em que paises está banido ?? Há fundamentação ???
Boa sorte e já agora veja mais algumas raças ( Portuguesas)!!!
Foram criados como cães de luta - entre eles!CTR Escreveu: Essa raça é apenas vendida no Japão..a cena é que estes cães foram desenvolvidos para luta pelos Japoneses para ganharem à maior parte dos pitbulls
Caso não saiba o Japão é talvez dos paises que tem as lutas mais regulamentadas. Os Tosas apenas lutam com Tosas , e do mesmo peso.
E apenas vendida no Japão? Onde leu tal absurdo? Cultive-se lá um pouco ....
-» http://www.megasthenes.demon.nl/
-» http://www.fightingtosa.com/
Nanci
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Mais um mito…CTR Escreveu: Oi..Essa raça é apenas vendida no Japão..(...)
Em Portugal não conheço nenhum criador, mas aqui ao lado (Espanha) existem, já para não falar no resto da Europa.
Outro mito...CTR Escreveu:(...)a cena é que estes cães foram desenvolvidos para luta pelos Japoneses para ganharem à maior parte dos pitbulls e saem vencedorem em 90 por cento dos casos..pelo menos e o que diz na Net (...)
Sim, foram desenvolvidos para lutas de cães, mas daí a serem criados para ganhar aos pitbuls … (no coments). Isto a ser verdade as lutas já não se faziam com pits mas sim com Tosas.
O ideal seria que estas lutas não se fizessem com nenhum cão a não ser em casos culturais muito particulares como o japonês.
O problemas destes casos específicos e culturais prende-se com a sua errada generalização...
Não sei até que ponto esta justificação poderá servir para criar cães com este objectivo na Europa ?? "Fighting the enemy" como lema de um canil: é no mínimo curioso...
Mas respeitem-se as raças e as suas utilizações, não se podem é degenerar principios culturais de séculos.
Não sei até que ponto esta justificação poderá servir para criar cães com este objectivo na Europa ?? "Fighting the enemy" como lema de um canil: é no mínimo curioso...
Mas respeitem-se as raças e as suas utilizações, não se podem é degenerar principios culturais de séculos.
Mas é contra as lutas dos cães? Ou que se crie para lutas?crazyduck Escreveu: Não sei até que ponto esta justificação poderá servir para criar cães com este objectivo na Europa ?? "Fighting the enemy" como lema de um canil é no mínimo curioso....
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Para adquirir um Tosa, não precisa ir até a Romania, basta comprar em França, para o mais perto, ou na Holandia, ou na Suiça, etc.. onde a raça não esta banida, mas tem uma regulamentação como o Rottweiler, que obriga o dono a ter um seguro obrigatorio e declaração a camara municipal.
No que diz respeito ao combate de cães no Japão, são prohibidos, mas os Yakuzas japoneses(mafia) usam muito estes cães em ceremonias tradicionais de combate de cães, onde as regras são bem definidas, mas dai a dizer que pode mais que um Pitbull, isso seria fazer uma comparazão estupida e sem sentido !
O Tosa é um cão espectacular de paciencia, e a agressividade com os outros cães não aparece se o cão não foi ensinado para combater com outros cães.
Segue a associação francesa do Tosa Inu :
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/tosa-ken.association/index2.htm
Até,[/img]
No que diz respeito ao combate de cães no Japão, são prohibidos, mas os Yakuzas japoneses(mafia) usam muito estes cães em ceremonias tradicionais de combate de cães, onde as regras são bem definidas, mas dai a dizer que pode mais que um Pitbull, isso seria fazer uma comparazão estupida e sem sentido !
O Tosa é um cão espectacular de paciencia, e a agressividade com os outros cães não aparece se o cão não foi ensinado para combater com outros cães.
Segue a associação francesa do Tosa Inu :
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/tosa-ken.association/index2.htm
Até,[/img]
Bom uma pessoa mete um reply aqui vêm logo os trolls responder mal..quanto a ser vendido apenas no Japão não é mentira..e quanto a terem desenvolvido esta raça para derrotar os american Pitbull tb é verdade ISTO FOI PESQUISA DE GOOGLE APENAS! Quem quiser procure e veja o que diz sobre isto memso de os Tosa ganharem 90 por cento dos combates aos Pitts...COISA que a mim não me interessa muito.
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This seems most improbable. Few would probably disagree with the claim that pound for-pound the American Pit Bull Terrier is the finest fighting dog in the world. Moreover, the smaller Pits Bull are usually the gamest and the most talented. Thus, one of these little dogs can often defeat a substantially larger dog, especially if the other dog is not a Pit Bull. However, it should be noted that serious dog fighters are very careful to closely match weights in the most intensely contested matches. A difference of only a few pounds can count a lot in a dog fight.
Moreover, the claim that a smaller dog has a great advantage by being able to get to the throat more readily becomes very silly on close examination. (Editors Tosa on right) By that logic, a Jack Russell Terrier should be able to defeat the small Pit Bull, and a Chihuahua should be able to kill the Jack Russell, thus establishing the Chihuahua as the most formidable dog of all!
In point of fact, if a 30 pound Pit Bull went against a huge Fila like Gabriel, Jetson, Chaka, or Reno, the larger dog would crush the life out of the smaller dog long before the superior gameness or athletic ability of the Pit Bull came into play. Assuming the small Pit Bull did get a throat hold, it would most likely get nothing more than a mouthful of dewlap. It is commonly held that the only two real fighting dogs in the world are the American Pit Bull Terrier and the Japanese Tosa. I have heard it suggested that the ultra-rare Majorcan Presa (aka Ca de Bou) might also qualify. The Korean Jindo (looks like an Akita) is also reputed to be a very tough customer. Middle Asian Ovcharkas are also reported to be used for fighting in their homeland and may possess some talent.
[b]Mixed matches between Pit Bulls and Tosas have produced mixed results. In Japan, one informant states, the Tosas defeat the Pit Bulls about 90 percent of the time. In such matches in the United States, the Pit Bulls have, with few exceptions, been victorious. However, such encounters typically involve Pit Bulls that are seasoned fighting dogs pitted against Tosas that have been little more than house pets[/b]
[b]Most Tosa breeders will have a story about how a dog from their bloodlines has killed or maimed a Pit Bull[/b]. It should be pointed out that there is a good deal of variation in the size and quality among both Tosas and Pit Bulls, the latter breed having suffered from the scourge of puppy mill breeding. In the case of a 140 pound Tosa of the finest East Japan fighting bloodlines against a 40 pound Pit Bull of indifferent breeding, I would have little doubt about the outcome.
On the other hand, a seasoned, game bred, game tested Pit Bull should be able to hold his own against almost any Tosa. As a matter of interest, several years ago a correspondent to the old Bulldog Review Magazine mentioned having visited Taiwan. He inquired about the presence of the Tosa fighting subculture in Taiwan. He was told that they had been killed off by Pit Bulls. One prominent Tosa breeder reported seeing four mixed matches in Hungary. One involved a large male Tosa against a Neapolitan Mastiff. This was a very one-sided slaughter that was soon halted to stop further harm to the Neo.
[b]In the second bout, a smallish, young female Tosa fought to a draw with a male Pit Bull that was nearly as large as herself. In the other two bouts, the Tosas decisively defeated the Pit Bulls.[/b] In one of these contests, the Pit Bull was seriously mangled, loosing an eye in the fight. In both fights, the Tosas became more dominant as the fight progressed. Evidently, the Pit Bulls had tired from wrestling with the larger dogs. The same breeder mentioned having seen two spontaneous, accidental fights between Tosa'sand Fila'sat American dog shows. In both cases the Tosas very much dominated the action while it lasted.
Proceeding to some of the other mastiff type breeds, the American Bulldog varies considerably in size and temperament. They seem to be capable of fighting ferociously and capable for a short period of time and then losing interest quickly. My informant tells me of a mixed match which an American Bulldog punished an Argentine Dogo non stop for about 15 minutes and then quit when the Dogo finally fought back. I have also heard of a mixed match between a Tosa and an American Bulldog in which the Bulldog quickly jumped out of the ring to avoid further punishment. The Argentine Dogo was developed primarily as a hunting /pack dog. It does have some fighting breeds in its make up and can give a good account of itself in a scrap, but not on the same level as level as the "real fighting dogs".
The Presa Canario has its origins as a fighting dog. Today, it is largely a reconstructed breed, with heavy infusions of English Mastiff and American Staffordshire Terrier. As a fighter, it is reported to be similar to the American Bulldog - furiously aggressive for the first few minutes of the fight but lacking in gameness and staying power. The Dogue de Bordeaux has not been used as a fighting dog for about a century. In a mixed match with the Tosa witnessed by my principle informant, the two dogs collided in the middle of the ring and the Tosa knocked the Dogue de Bordeaux cold.
The Cane Corso looks like a fighting dog, but really isn’t. In functions, it is more akin to the Fila; being primarily an estate guardian and protector of livestock. Also like Fila, it is a good pack dog. One of the leading Cane breeders tells me that he has as many as seven male Canes playing together peaceably. When all is said an done, the "Toughest Dog in the World" is probably either a 60 or 70 pound Pit Bull dog or a Tosa weighing about 130 pounds.
The Fila should not be considered a fighting dog. It was never bred for that purpose. It should be pointed out that the specialized fighting dogs are often of limited utility for much else. Many, if not most, Pit Bulls are too friendly to make effective property protectors, and many of them are stolen themselves.
A fair percentage of highly bred game Pit Bulls from the best fighting bloodlines are quite man-shy, and the same seems to be true with of Tosas, quite frequently, Other Pit Bulls and Tosas are very "waggy" in fact, for people whose primary interest in a dog is personal protection, I usually recommend the Fila over the Tosa, even though I dearly love my Tosa and am very partial to the latter breed. [b][/b]
This seems most improbable. Few would probably disagree with the claim that pound for-pound the American Pit Bull Terrier is the finest fighting dog in the world. Moreover, the smaller Pits Bull are usually the gamest and the most talented. Thus, one of these little dogs can often defeat a substantially larger dog, especially if the other dog is not a Pit Bull. However, it should be noted that serious dog fighters are very careful to closely match weights in the most intensely contested matches. A difference of only a few pounds can count a lot in a dog fight.
Moreover, the claim that a smaller dog has a great advantage by being able to get to the throat more readily becomes very silly on close examination. (Editors Tosa on right) By that logic, a Jack Russell Terrier should be able to defeat the small Pit Bull, and a Chihuahua should be able to kill the Jack Russell, thus establishing the Chihuahua as the most formidable dog of all!
In point of fact, if a 30 pound Pit Bull went against a huge Fila like Gabriel, Jetson, Chaka, or Reno, the larger dog would crush the life out of the smaller dog long before the superior gameness or athletic ability of the Pit Bull came into play. Assuming the small Pit Bull did get a throat hold, it would most likely get nothing more than a mouthful of dewlap. It is commonly held that the only two real fighting dogs in the world are the American Pit Bull Terrier and the Japanese Tosa. I have heard it suggested that the ultra-rare Majorcan Presa (aka Ca de Bou) might also qualify. The Korean Jindo (looks like an Akita) is also reputed to be a very tough customer. Middle Asian Ovcharkas are also reported to be used for fighting in their homeland and may possess some talent.
[b]Mixed matches between Pit Bulls and Tosas have produced mixed results. In Japan, one informant states, the Tosas defeat the Pit Bulls about 90 percent of the time. In such matches in the United States, the Pit Bulls have, with few exceptions, been victorious. However, such encounters typically involve Pit Bulls that are seasoned fighting dogs pitted against Tosas that have been little more than house pets[/b]
[b]Most Tosa breeders will have a story about how a dog from their bloodlines has killed or maimed a Pit Bull[/b]. It should be pointed out that there is a good deal of variation in the size and quality among both Tosas and Pit Bulls, the latter breed having suffered from the scourge of puppy mill breeding. In the case of a 140 pound Tosa of the finest East Japan fighting bloodlines against a 40 pound Pit Bull of indifferent breeding, I would have little doubt about the outcome.
On the other hand, a seasoned, game bred, game tested Pit Bull should be able to hold his own against almost any Tosa. As a matter of interest, several years ago a correspondent to the old Bulldog Review Magazine mentioned having visited Taiwan. He inquired about the presence of the Tosa fighting subculture in Taiwan. He was told that they had been killed off by Pit Bulls. One prominent Tosa breeder reported seeing four mixed matches in Hungary. One involved a large male Tosa against a Neapolitan Mastiff. This was a very one-sided slaughter that was soon halted to stop further harm to the Neo.
[b]In the second bout, a smallish, young female Tosa fought to a draw with a male Pit Bull that was nearly as large as herself. In the other two bouts, the Tosas decisively defeated the Pit Bulls.[/b] In one of these contests, the Pit Bull was seriously mangled, loosing an eye in the fight. In both fights, the Tosas became more dominant as the fight progressed. Evidently, the Pit Bulls had tired from wrestling with the larger dogs. The same breeder mentioned having seen two spontaneous, accidental fights between Tosa'sand Fila'sat American dog shows. In both cases the Tosas very much dominated the action while it lasted.
Proceeding to some of the other mastiff type breeds, the American Bulldog varies considerably in size and temperament. They seem to be capable of fighting ferociously and capable for a short period of time and then losing interest quickly. My informant tells me of a mixed match which an American Bulldog punished an Argentine Dogo non stop for about 15 minutes and then quit when the Dogo finally fought back. I have also heard of a mixed match between a Tosa and an American Bulldog in which the Bulldog quickly jumped out of the ring to avoid further punishment. The Argentine Dogo was developed primarily as a hunting /pack dog. It does have some fighting breeds in its make up and can give a good account of itself in a scrap, but not on the same level as level as the "real fighting dogs".
The Presa Canario has its origins as a fighting dog. Today, it is largely a reconstructed breed, with heavy infusions of English Mastiff and American Staffordshire Terrier. As a fighter, it is reported to be similar to the American Bulldog - furiously aggressive for the first few minutes of the fight but lacking in gameness and staying power. The Dogue de Bordeaux has not been used as a fighting dog for about a century. In a mixed match with the Tosa witnessed by my principle informant, the two dogs collided in the middle of the ring and the Tosa knocked the Dogue de Bordeaux cold.
The Cane Corso looks like a fighting dog, but really isn’t. In functions, it is more akin to the Fila; being primarily an estate guardian and protector of livestock. Also like Fila, it is a good pack dog. One of the leading Cane breeders tells me that he has as many as seven male Canes playing together peaceably. When all is said an done, the "Toughest Dog in the World" is probably either a 60 or 70 pound Pit Bull dog or a Tosa weighing about 130 pounds.
The Fila should not be considered a fighting dog. It was never bred for that purpose. It should be pointed out that the specialized fighting dogs are often of limited utility for much else. Many, if not most, Pit Bulls are too friendly to make effective property protectors, and many of them are stolen themselves.
A fair percentage of highly bred game Pit Bulls from the best fighting bloodlines are quite man-shy, and the same seems to be true with of Tosas, quite frequently, Other Pit Bulls and Tosas are very "waggy" in fact, for people whose primary interest in a dog is personal protection, I usually recommend the Fila over the Tosa, even though I dearly love my Tosa and am very partial to the latter breed. [b][/b]
Então CTR, não ha Tosas fora do Japão ??? 
Diga isso, ao criador que participou na ultima mundial, a ver o que ele lhe responde, e por amor de deus não acredite nesses boates que se vê na net !!
O que é verdade é que os japoneses, alias os mafiosos, não deixam sair os melhores Tosas que sairam vencedores de combates, chamados de Yokozunas como no Sumotori.
Agora veja aqui um endereço dum criador americano, e como o Tosa existe (e não é pouco...) nos EUA !!!
http://www.shaku1.com/
Alias, um grande campeão de Muay THai, Jérôme Lebanner, muito considerado no Japão, era para receber um desses Tosas como prenda que valia mais de 10000$, mas ele prefere o Fila Brasileiro e não quis do Tosa !! ( http://www.filabrasileiro.net/fr/articles/tosa.html ) - a site do Lebanner..
Agora não acredite no que se diz e no que foi dito, porque Tosas existe fora do Japão !! E são bons !!
Até,
Diga isso, ao criador que participou na ultima mundial, a ver o que ele lhe responde, e por amor de deus não acredite nesses boates que se vê na net !!
O que é verdade é que os japoneses, alias os mafiosos, não deixam sair os melhores Tosas que sairam vencedores de combates, chamados de Yokozunas como no Sumotori.
Agora veja aqui um endereço dum criador americano, e como o Tosa existe (e não é pouco...) nos EUA !!!
http://www.shaku1.com/
Alias, um grande campeão de Muay THai, Jérôme Lebanner, muito considerado no Japão, era para receber um desses Tosas como prenda que valia mais de 10000$, mas ele prefere o Fila Brasileiro e não quis do Tosa !! ( http://www.filabrasileiro.net/fr/articles/tosa.html ) - a site do Lebanner..
Agora não acredite no que se diz e no que foi dito, porque Tosas existe fora do Japão !! E são bons !!
Até,
E baseia-se no que leu numa pagina contra documentos, factos e realidades ...xambum Escreveu: Não acredite em tudo o que aparece na net.
Faz muito bem ... peça la ao pai natal uma bolita de cristal
Já agora, doeu muito pelos ouvidos?
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