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snoopydog
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domingo jan 07, 2007 11:12 pm

Olá a todos increvi-me hoje dia 7.01.2007 , após mais um incidente c/ o meu cão, cruzado coker labrador de 6 anos.
é com muita tristeza que eu tenho um cão agresivo mas o facto de nós em casa termos adoptado o snoopy c/ 2 meses de idade estamos muito ligados ao animal , mas o facto é que ele ñ gosta de ser contrariado assim como de crianças já tem mordido em situações em que elas vão fazer festas, as mordidas são muito superficiais pois raramente faz sangue só que fica marcado e um grande susto para as crianças e eu.
O que eu pretendo com esta descrição é obter algumas opiniões de forma a saber o que se pode fazer para ileminar ou reduzir esta agressividade,embora ao longo destes 6 anos após os acontecimentos tenhamos adoptado certas medidas para prevenir estes ataques.
HOJE foi: como é habito estavam no sofá a minha mulher e a minha filha de 14 anos , e ele deitado no sofá após alguma tentativas para que ele se chega-se para uma ponta , nada até que a minha filha como é hábito pegou num bombom e chamou-o, ele percebeu que era para o enganar saltou e foi ao braço dela.
foi superficial como sempre, mas não deixa de ser ataque.
Peço esclarecimentos ,assim como se a castração poderá funcionar.
Obrigado a todos
jorge oliveira
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domingo jan 07, 2007 11:19 pm

:o

olhe meu caro... o comportamento do cão é reflectido pelo ensino/educação que os donos lhe dão.. muitas vezes fazemos coisas e brincadeiras que julgamos serem correctas mas que prejudicam a longo prazo o comportamento do cão...

por exemplo, um dono que apenas utilize o nome do cão quando o quer chamar para o prender á trela, rapidamente vai condicionar o cão a fugir de cada vez que o chama pelo nome...

o bombom que a sua filha ia dar ao cão, era mesmo um bombom? é habito darem bombons ao cão?
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domingo jan 07, 2007 11:21 pm

o que aconteceu foi uma falha muito grave na educação do cão! não lhe foi mostrado quem domina na 'matilha' de casa.

agora com 6 anos, é mais difícil de corrigir mas não impossível.

a castração poderá ser uma boa opção se reparar que ele fica mais agressivo quando existem cadelas por perto, principalmente se estiverem com o cio.

no entanto, visto que não são capazes de controlar a situação totalmente, aconselho uma escola de treino. deverá ser a melhor opção.

boa sorte
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domingo jan 07, 2007 11:34 pm

Penso que o problema estará no facto de o seu cão não o reconhecer (e à sua familia) como Alfa (Lider), ou seja não sabe o seu lugar!

... Talvez uma escola de treino seja uma boa opção...

Coloco abaixo um artigo que acho interessante e vai de encontro ao que descreveu... Está é em Inglês!


WHO'S IN CHARGE HERE?

A lesson in becoming Alpha
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"My dog just tried to bite me! All I did was tell him to move over so I could sit on the couch next to him."

"My dog got into the trash can and when I scolded her, she growled at me. What's wrong with her? I thought she loved me!"

"Our dog is very affectionate most of the time but when we try to make him do something he doesn't want to do, he snaps at us."

What do these three dogs have in common? Are they nasty or downright vicious? No - they're "alpha". They've taken over the leadership of the families that love them. Instead of taking orders from their people, these dogs are giving orders! Your dog can love you very much and still try to dominate you or other members of your family.

Dogs are social creatures and believers in social order. A dog's social system is a "pack" with a well-defined pecking order. The leader of the pack is the alpha, supreme boss, Top Dog. He (or she) gets the best of everything - the best food, the best place to sleep, the best toy, etc. The leader also gets to be first in everything - he gets to eat first, to leave first and to get attention first. All the other dogs in the pack respect the alpha dog's wishes. Any dog that challenges the alpha's authority gets a swift physical reminder of just where his place in the pack really is.

Your family is your dog's "pack". Many dogs fit easily into the lower levels of their human pack's pecking order and don't make waves. They do what they're told and don't challenge authority. Other dogs don't fit in quite as well. Some of them are natural born leaders and are always challenging their human alpha's. Other dogs are social climbers - they're always looking for ways to get a little closer to the top of the family ladder. These natural leaders and the social climbers can become problems to an unsuspecting family that's not aware of the dog's natural pack instincts.

Some families encourage their dogs to take over the "pack" without realizing it. They treat their dogs as equals, not as subordinates. They give them special privileges like being allowed to sleep on the bed or couch. They don't train their dogs and let them get away with disobeying commands. In a real dog pack, no one but the alpha dog would get this kind of treatment. Alpha doesn't have anything to do with size. The tiniest Chihuahua can be a canine Hitler. In fact, the smaller the dog, the more people tend to baby them and cater to them - making the dog feel even more dominant and in control of his humans.

Alpha dogs often seem to make good pets. They're confident, smarter than average, and affectionate. They can be wonderful with children and good with strangers. Everything seems to be great with the relationship - until someone crosses him or makes him do something he doesn't want to do. Then, suddenly, this wonderful dog growls or tries to bite someone and no one understands why.

In a real dog pack, the alpha dog doesn't have to answer to anyone. No one gives him orders or tells him what to do. The other dogs in the pack respect his position. If another dog is foolish enough to challenge the alpha by trying to take his bone or his favorite sleeping place, the alpha dog will quickly put him in his place with a hard stare or a growl. If this doesn't work, the alpha dog will enforce his leadership with his teeth. This is all natural, instinctive behavior - in a dog's world. In a human family, though, this behavior is unacceptable and dangerous.

Dogs need and want leaders. They have an instinctive need to fit into a pack. They want the security of knowing their place and what's expected of them. Most of them don't want to be alpha - they want someone else to give the orders and make the decisions. If his humans don't provide that leadership, the dog will take over the role himself. If you've allowed your dog to become alpha, you're at his mercy and as a leader, he may be either a benevolent king or a tyrant!

If you think your dog is alpha in your household, he probably is. If your dog respects only one or two members of the family but dominates the others, you still have a problem. The dog's place should be at the -bottom- of your human family's pack order, not at the top or somewhere in between.

In order to reclaim your family's rightful place as leaders of the pack, your dog needs some lessons in how to be a subordinate, not an equal. You're going to show him what it means to be a dog again. Your dog's mother showed him very early in life that -she- was alpha and that he had to respect her. As a puppy, he was given a secure place in his litter's pack and because of that security, he was free to concentrate on growing, learning, playing, loving and just being a dog. Your dog doesn't really want the responsibility of being alpha, having to make the decisions and defend his position at the top. He wants a leader to follow and worship so he can have the freedom of just being a dog again.



How to become leader of your pack:
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Your dog watches you constantly and reads your body language. He knows if you're insecure, uncomfortable in a leadership role or won't enforce a command. This behavior confuses him, makes -him- insecure and if he's a natural leader or has a social-climbing personality, it'll encourage him to assume the alpha position and tell -you- what to do.

"Alpha" is an attitude. It involves quiet confidence, dignity, intelligence, an air of authority. A dog can sense this attitude almost immediately - it's how his mother acted towards him. Watch a professional trainer or a good obedience instructor. They stand tall and use their voices and eyes to project the idea that they're capable of getting what they want. They're gentle but firm, loving but tough, all at the same time. Most dogs are immediately submissive towards this type of personality because they recognize and respect alpha when they see it.

Practice being alpha. Stand up straight with your shoulders back. Walk tall. Practice using a new tone of voice, one that's deep and firm. Don't ask your dog to do something - tell him. There's a difference. He knows the difference, too! Remember that, as alpha, you're entitled to make the rules and give the orders. Your dog understands that instinctively.

With most dogs, just this change in your attitude and an obedience training course will be enough to turn things around. With a dog that's already taken over the household and has enforced his position by growling or biting and has been allowed to get away with it, you'll need to do more than just decide to be alpha. The dog is going to need an attitude adjustment as well.

Natural leaders and social climbers aren't going to want to give up their alpha position. Your sudden change in behavior is going to shock and threaten them. Your dog might act even more aggressively than before. An alpha dog will instinctively respond to challenges to his authority. It's his nature to want to put down revolutionary uprisings by the peasants! Don't worry, there's a way around it.

An alpha dog already knows that he can beat you in a physical fight so returning his aggression with violence of your own won't work. Until you've successfully established your position as alpha, corrections like hitting, shaking, or using the "rollover" techniques described in some books will not work and can be downright dangerous to you. An alpha dog will respond to these methods with violence and you could be seriously hurt.

What you need to do is use your -brain- ! You're smarter than he is and you can outthink him. You'll also need to be stubborner than he is. What I'm about to describe here is an effective, non-violent method of removing your dog from alpha status and putting him back at the bottom of the family totem pole where he belongs and where he needs to be. In order for this method to work, your whole family has to be involved. It requires an attitude adjustment from everyone and a new way of working with your dog.

This is serious business. A dog that bites or threatens people is a -dangerous- dog, no matter how much you love him. If treating your dog like a dog and not an equal seems harsh to you, keep in mind that our society no longer tolerates dangerous dogs. Lawsuits from dog bites are now settling for millions of dollars - you could lose your home and everything else you own if your dog injures someone. You or your children could be permanently disfigured. And your dog could lose his life. That's the bottom line.



Canine Boot Camp for Alpha Attitude Adjustment
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From this day forward, you're going to teach your dog that he is a -dog-, not a miniature human being in a furry suit. His mother taught him how to be a dog once and how to take orders. Along the way, through lack of training or misunderstood intentions, he's forgotten. With your help, he's going to remember what he is and how he fits into the world. Before long, he's even going to like it!

Dogs were bred to look to humans for food, companionship and guidance. An alpha dog doesn't ask for what he wants, he demands it. He lets you know in no uncertain terms that he wants his dinner, that he wants to go out, that he wants to play and be petted and that he wants these things -right now-. You're going to teach him that from now on, he has to -earn- what he gets. No more free rides. This is going to be a shock to his system at first but you'll be surprised how quickly he'll catch on and that he'll actually become eager to please you.

If your dog doesn't already know the simple command SIT, teach it to him. Reward him with praise and a tidbit. Don't go overboard with the praise. A simple "Good boy!" in a happy voice is enough. Now, every time your dog wants something - his dinner, a trip outside, a walk, some attention, anything - tell him (remember don't ask him, -tell- him) to SIT first. When he does, praise him with a "Good Boy!", then tell him OKAY and give him whatever it is he wants as a reward. If he refuses to SIT, walk away and ignore him. No SIT, no reward. If you don't think he understands the command, work on his training some more. If he just doesn't want to obey, ignore him - DON'T give him what he wants or reward him in any fashion.

Make him sit before giving him his dinner, make him sit at the door before going outside, make him sit in front of you to be petted, make him sit before giving him his toy. If you normally leave food out for him all the time, stop. Go to a twice daily feeding and -you- decide what time of day he'll be fed. Make him sit for his dinner. If he won't obey the command - no dinner. Walk away and ignore him. Bring the food out later and tell him again to SIT. If he understands the command, don't tell him more than once. He heard you the first time. Give commands from a standing position and use a deep, firm tone of voice.

If the dog respects certain members of the family but not others, let the others be the ones to feed him and bring the good things to his life for now. Show them how to make him obey the SIT command and how to walk away and ignore him if he won't do as he's told. It's important that your whole family follows this program. Dogs are like kids - if they can't have their way with Mom, they'll go ask Dad. In your dog's case, if he finds a member of the family that he can dominate, he'll continue to do so. You want your dog to learn that he has to respect and obey everyone. Remember - his place is at the bottom of the totem pole. Bouncing him from the top spot helps but if he thinks he's anywhere in the middle, you're still going to have problems.

Think - you know your dog and know what he's likely to do under most circumstances. Stay a step ahead of him and anticipate his behavior so you can avoid or correct it. If he gets into the trash and growls when scolded, make the trash can inaccessible. If he likes to bolt out the door ahead of you, put a leash on him. Make him sit and wait while you open the door and give him permission - OKAY! - to go out. If your alpha dog doesn't like to come when he's called (and he probably doesn't!), don't let him outside off leash. Without a leash, you have no control over him and he knows it.

Petting and attention: Alpha dogs are used to being fussed over. In a real dog pack, subordinate dogs are forever touching, licking and grooming the alpha dog. It's a show of respect and submission. For now, untill his attitude has shown improvement, cut down on the amount of cuddling your dog gets. When he wants attention, make him SIT first, give him a few kind words and pats, then stop. Go back to whatever it was you were doing and ignore him. If he pesters you, tell him NO! in a firm voice and ignore him some more. Pet him when -you- want to, not just because -he- wants you to. Also, for the time being, don't get down on the floor or on your knees to pet your dog. That, too, is a show of submission. Give praise, petting and rewards from a position that's higher than the dog.

Games: If you or anyone in your family wrestles, rough-houses or plays tug of war with your dog, stop! These games encourage dogs to dominate people physically and to use their teeth. In a dog pack or in a litter, these games are more than just playing - they help to establish pack order based on physical strength. Your dog is already probably stronger and quicker than you are. Rough, physical games prove that to him. He doesn't need to be reminded of it!

Find new games for him to play. Hide & seek, fetch or frisbee catching are more appropriate. Make sure you're the one who starts and ends the game, not the dog. Stop playing before the dog gets bored and is inclined to try to keep the ball or frisbee.

Where does your dog sleep? Not in your bedroom and especially not on your bed! Your bedroom is a special place - it's your "den". An alpha dog thinks he has a right to sleep in your den because he considers himself your equal. In fact, he may have already taken over your bed, refusing to get off when told or growling and snapping when anyone asks him to make room for the humans. Until your dog's alpha problems are fully under control, the bedroom should be off-limits! The same goes for sleeping on furniture. If you can't keep him off the couch without a fight, deny him access to the room until his behavior and training has improved.

Crate-training: Dog crates have 1,000 uses and working with an alpha dog is one of them. It's a great place for your dog to sleep at night, to eat in and just to stay in when he needs to chill out and be reminded that he's a dog. The crate is your dog's "den". Start crate training by feeding him his dinner in his crate. Close the door and let him stay there for an hour afterwards. If he throws a tantrum, ignore him. Don't let your dog out of his crate until he's quiet and settled. At bedtime, show him an irresistable goodie, tell him to SIT and when he does, throw the goodie into the crate. When he dives in for the treat, tell him what a good boy he is and close the door.
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domingo jan 07, 2007 11:44 pm

como já disseram, há um grave problema de dominância aí em casa... Aconselho, para além de uma escola de treino, a leitura do livro "A encantadora de cães" de Jan Fennel, ela explica como funciona a hirarquia canina e como mostrar ao cão que somos os líderes.


mafia_69 "bombom" é o nome que muitos donos usam para designar os biscoitos ;) é mais fácil e carinhoso. o cão da minha tia responde logo a "bombom" mas nem sempre a biscoito :p
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domingo jan 07, 2007 11:53 pm

sim, para comunicar com o cão bombom é mais prático, mas questão não deixa de ser válida... o facto do cão comer açucar pode influenciar no seu comportamento...
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segunda jan 08, 2007 12:14 am

mafia_69 bombom é outro nome para biscoitos de cão! em vez de se dizer: "Boby toma um biscoito" diz-se "Boby toma um bombom".
Ao meu basta dizer toma :lol:

Não acredito que o snoopydog dê bombons de pessoas ao cão... devem ser daqueles de cão, normais. Ao meu dou uns ossinhos pequenos que são bons para partir ao meio, de modo a fazer recompensas mais pequenas, que demoram menos tempo a ser comidas mas que têm o mesmo efeito ;)

Snoopy, se nos disser a zona do país poderemos indicar-lhe algumas escolas ou fale com amigos que tenham cães em escolas. Visite a escola primeiro, inform-se do equipamento necessário e condições de treino. Há alguns tópicos sobre o assunto, é uma questão de pesquisar.
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segunda jan 08, 2007 3:04 am

Boa noite Jorge,

Pois como já foi dito, o problema que tem agora em mãos com o seu cão deve-se única e exclusivamente à falta de regras e disciplina, que deveriam ter sido incutidas desde o primeiro dia em que o adquiriram.
Ainda vai muito a tempo de dar a volta à situação, porque nada é impossível mas é preciso também saber que a melhor forma de o fazer (não só o Jorge mas toda a sua família), será com o auxílio de um treinador numa boa escola de treinos para cães.
Actualmente já existe uma maior oferta destas escolas e para além de se ensinarem os cães, ensinam-se acima de tudo os donos a comunicarem melhor com os seus cães e a evitarem erros que conduzem a situações como a sua, ou outras às vezes mais complicadas.
Pela curta descrição que fez, o seu cão parece ser um animal seguro de si e devido à falta de regras e de liderança na matilha (humana), teve de ser ele a tomar conta da situação. Por mais que gostemos dos nossos cães, não é deixando-os fazer tudo que os vamos fazer mais felizes, muito pelo contrário... Eles precisam de sentir uma estrutura hierárquica bem definida, para saberem exactamente o lugar que nela devem ocupar.
O que acontece aí em casa é que o vosso cão está precisamente no mesmo "patamar" hierárquico que vocês, o que o leva a desafiar-vos constantemente e isso não pode acontecer nunca!
Deixo mais abaixo dois tópicos apenas do que devem passar a fazer rotineiramente com ele de forma a reforçar a vossa liderança em casa (é importante que toda a família haja em conformidade), mas de qualquer forma ponderem bem a ajuda numa Escola de Treino pois aprenderão certamente a dar a volta à situação da melhor maneira possível.

Devem:

- Ignorar qualquer manifestação de felicitação por parte do cão quando chegam a casa, fazendo-lhe só uma festa uns minutos depois quando o sentirem mais calmo. O cão terá de apreender a ideia de que não tem a atenção dos donos porque a exige, mas apenas quando os donos assim o entenderem.

- Antes de lhe darem comida, um biscoito, uma festa, devem exigir algo em troca.... Um "Senta" ou um "Deita" ajudarão a reforçar a vossa liderança e o "troféu" só deverá ser dado quando o animal cumpre o que lhe foi pedido.


Bons treinos e boa sorte!
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segunda jan 08, 2007 8:31 am

sportinguista... eu já tinha percebido :roll:

não tomes é por certo uma coisa dita por uma pessoa que não conheces...

o facto de achares que ele utiliza o termo bombom para as guloseimas nao interessa muito...
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